And we are back folks really quickly uh to take you through the last session of the day. We’ve had an amazing set of sessions and activities on day one and we want to end this day on a high of course and for that we have three amazing guests with us uh for this session. This session is about page builders and formers by the way and if you have both of them on your website and you’re struggling with page speed and performance this session is definitely for you. Uh so I would like to call upon stage the three awesome guests that we have starting off with Miriam Schwab who is the head of WordPress at Elementor. Of course a lot of you may already know her from different word camps and events. Uh so she’s here along with her we have Rohit Dal who is also from Elementor. He’s the product marketing manager at Elementor leading the platform’s engineering vision. He’s focused on building scalable tools that power millions of WordPress websites. And then finally uh we have Matt Maderos who is a WordPress entrepreneur, a longtime podcaster known for the Matt Report. So if you are a watcher of that podcast, uh this is the brains behind that. Now part of the team at Gravity Forms focusing on product, community and growth. So thank you all for for for joining me in this in this panel discussion around uh around page builders and forms. Without any further delay and and adu I would like to dive into the first to the first question of the session which is from Miriam. I’m sorry to put you on the spot Miriam right away but I want to ask this question first from you is because I think a lot of people in our audience already use elementor. they already definitely obviously know about elementary and there is a myth or I would say there is a conception or a misconception in the community or in the industry that you know page builders they’re bulky right so they sort of drag your website to poor performance results so my question is around that so element powers millions of sites as you all know are page builders inherently at a performance disadvantage compared to customcoded themes So I think that this um perception that page builders in general and elementor specifically have performance issues is kind of a legacy um perception. Um unfortunately once something like a product has an issue of some kind, it’s very hard to uh make people realize that that has been improved. So um Elementor was always a product that could be performant but uh in the past it was much hard it did have more challenges around performance and so our team prioritized performance um over the last few years a performance improvements and in almost every release um particularly for a certain amount of time the there were performance improvements in each release and those changes um were visible and noticeable in analytics and results um and scoring um to the point where uh you will have people who will still say you know my elementary site is slow but then you’ll have other people who will show examples of sites that are getting very high 90 100 scores in terms of performance um and in the end like a lot of tools um in the WordPress space it’s a matter of how you build with it um and the decisions that you make in the beginning and along the way. I mean, it’s even possible that you’ll build an element site and uh you know, from you launch it and it’s performant, but then if you start, you know, adding more plugins or let’s say making easier decisions that are like good in the short term along the way in terms of like your design systems and things like that or nested elements, but then you’ll end up, you know, they kind of like add on to each other and then you might end up paying a price. So, it’s important not only to make good decisions when you’re launching the site, but also along the way. But Elementor in and of itself out of the box um is a performant product. Um and you know, we hope that people experience that. But if they’re not then, um there are ways to improve it. Yeah, absolutely. I would also like Roy to sort of weigh in on this question because obviously you have been working with element for a long time as well and I would like your opinion on this as well on this misconception or this myth that you know element or any other page builder for that matter has this nature has this sort of feature or this characteristic that it sort of makes your website sluggish. [snorts] Yeah, look, I I really uh uh connect with what Miriam said about like making good decisions. At the end of the day, um there’s always going to be a payoff uh to the more features you add and the more elements you add and the more complex you make your website. And these days, we all want to have super complex and uh fully animated and integrated websites because that’s what the industry kind of demands. But, you know, there always there’s always going to be a trade-off. And I think as web creators, it’s not enough to just uh build whatever you want and expect it to work. We have to be like responsible and uh we have to have like theto to know what we’re building and what effect it has on our code and our performance as well. And I think in general um uh page builders today and elementors like specifically we’re working on making the core of the product uh as lean as possible and as light as possible. So you can have the possibility to to go ahead and like make your dreams come true and uh and and add a lot of like uh complex uh features and popups and and and a bigger plug-in stack. Um but I do also feel like it’s a kind of misconception like uh you know WordPress is a is a old product element even is 10 years old but a lot has happened around those years and um and I think uh people are starting to experience this as well and people are also starting to be more responsible and knowledgeable about how they’re actually building uh their websites. Awesome. My next question is is uh is from you Matt. Uh it’s regarding forms and forms are often the most interactive part of a site. We all know that. Uh from your own perspective at Gravity Forms, what typically makes forms slower? Sure. Uh so you know I think the the subtitle of this talk is going to be it depends across page builders uh and forms. Uh but uh Gravity Forms just like Elementor, we have a large user base. Uh we’ve been around for a while. uh one of the first uh premium plugins to hit this hit the WordPress uh commercial market and uh you know a typical contact form not that bad. Uh it’s not going to introduce a lot uh of uh you know load to the WordPress website or to the page itself. Uh it’s not loading in any scripts or thirdparty add-ons etc. when you start building out a gravity form or really complex gravity form, if you start adding uh a lot of the sort of like capture uh fields or uh Cloudflare turn style stuff, uh you start adding in thirdparty connections with conditional logic to uh you know sending form data to other sites, it’s going to load those scripts in the back end. The good news is is we spend a lot of time um you know working with our code and uh working with WordPress, working with great partners like Elementor to make sure that Gravity Forms is as performant as possible across the board. Uh we do get a lot of great scores. I know I’m biased, but we get a lot of great scores on performance uh that we’ve worked with uh with the uh with the teams over at WordPress.org. And uh it’s always on the top of our mind, right? But whenever we’re load adding a new feature, creating a new add-on, it’s always about making sure that this is going to be as uh performant as possible. Gravity Forms has I don’t know 10, 12, 13, 14 years of um of customer base and we are as backwards as compatible as possible. Uh so that means that sometimes we can’t switch to the fastest, greatest, latest thing. Um but uh we are always looking to make sure that our customers are happy and that we’re putting performance in the forefront. So I haven’t seen a form yet at my three years uh being at Gravity Forms that has you know really stumbled a team and you know they haven’t been able to figure out how to make it performant. I ran an agency for 10 years using Gravity Forms. I was never really able to slow anything down. Um, but you know, being as you know, accurate and as uh efficient as possible on building your form is always going to be the best uh the best bet to keep things as fast as possible. Awesome. My next question is uh from all three of you by the way, but I would like Roy to sort of start off uh answering on that question. So, marketers love adding pop-ups, trackers, personalization, you know, AB testing. They love all that stuff to have on their website. At what point does marketing optimization starts hurting performance optimization? Like at what point does a website owner realize that you know I’ve added like I’ve done too much. So what is that point that people need to be wary of? [snorts] That’s a great question because I myself sometimes like you know ask that myself when I’m working like on our optimizations. Um, and I think for me it’s really uh first of all, like I said before, there there’s always a trade-off, but for me it’s really about uh balancing the business needs and the marketing needs uh that I have with the performance because um similar to what I said earlier like every capability you add if it’s uh you said popups and personalization and AB test and all these stuffs they always add more weight um and it always comes with a certain performance cost. So uh it really becomes uh the question of how you balance uh uh these needs with the basic structure and design of your site and keeping everything fast and a good experience for your visitors as well. Um, and yeah, even my even myself when I’m working on a new page for elementor.com and I have like a crazy uh uh idea for our dev team for this like big functionality or like a huge animation, I always have to consider also um the performance tradeoff because uh I always want the website to be as fast as possible. Uh we don’t want users to have friction. We don’t want them to b to bounce out. Um but having said that uh in general uh when you know when like the basic underlying uh foundation in code is lean uh like we’re doing with uh with version 4 uh and I’d love to like kind of expand about that a bit later. Um the core is is already optimized. So the more tools you add and the more plugins you add and the more uh like uh integrations and experiments you add uh that in order to drive growth um the site should still have like the basic structural efficiency so um so that the performance um shouldn’t um shouldn’t hurt or shouldn’t uh collapse. So basically like in short, there’s always going to be a trade-off, but uh when you’re working with with the smart core and stack um um that’s lean as possible, then uh then um you should experience good results in general. Awesome. Matt, do you want to add up on that? Oh yeah. And for if you know if you’re adding you know tracking scripts, Facebook pixels like whatever sort of uh marketing e-commerce um load you might be putting on the site. Of course, it’s for me anyway, it’s just talking to, you know, your key stakeholders like, should we be track, you know, oftentimes what will happen is people just start adding stuff. They forget they’ve added it. You know, they’ve added some heat tracking uh pixel from 10 years ago and it’s still running on the site. Uh, you know, constantly doing an audit. This is more of a human thing than a performance thing, but it’s constantly doing an audit, making sure that your team uh is using the tool that somebody added from some department many years ago. um and what’s actually needed um you know for the business to which it to which it you know starts to impact um you know site load speed and and user um accessibility and stuff like that. So having those you know clear discussions with the team and stakeholders what do we need what do we don’t need and what can we prune from this site moving forward. Awesome. I would like to point out Roy that you mentioned V4. Someone in the comments already mentioned that you know V4 makes it better. Elementary load is a myth obviously according to them and V4 makes it makes it even better. Miriam, do you want to add any last words on on this question? Um sorry [laughter] you can you can just say pass. Yeah, Matt. Exactly. You know, okay, I will say one thing. Um, so there’s two aspects to converting users on your site, right? If you have marketing popups and marketing optimizations, your goal is to take the traffic that has come to your site and have them do something. Fill out a form or whatever it is. Let’s say it’s fill out a form. Let’s say it’s fill out a gravity form, of course. So, that’s that’s what you want them to do. But um you want to make sure that your funnel the traffic that’s coming to your site is as optimized as possible as well. You want it to be um the maximum number of visitors coming to your site. And um we have seen very closely how performance can impact negatively or positively that uh funnel that’s coming to your site, the traffic that’s coming to your site. So um it is important to keep an eye on these last leg type of marketing optimizations where you’re trying to convert the user um and to see if it has come at some kind of negative impact on your performance because if it does yeah maybe that’s a really great conversion optimization technique but if your traffic is being reduced as a result then you know you’re paying a price. So, it’s always uh finding that balance between making sure and by the way, especially if you’re doing paid ad spend um then performance really plays a role. So, it’s about always having that balance of making sure that your site is performance so you’re getting the best results in terms of visitors coming and also benefiting and enjoying your site. Right? If it’s slow, they’re out of there. Um, and then also benefiting from that last leg of okay, now fill my form, now get in touch, now buy my thing. Uh, so yeah, so it’s that balance. Okay, so I did have something to say. [laughter] Awesome. Uh, my next question is from you, medium, by the way, so you would want to continue talking. So my next question is around agencies, and I know a lot of agencies use Elementor, but where do you see agencies misusing element in ways that create unnecessary performance debt? So in general, the agencies that work with Elementor on an ongoing basis are pretty good at keeping Elementor performed because they um can pump out a lot of sites and I think they learn from that. So, it comes kind of back to what I was saying, which is making short-term decisions that have long-term negative impact like um that you can see if an agency for very legitimate reasons needs to rush through a project or get it out faster and can’t spend more time on it. Um, you know, some decisions may be made there that could impact negatively impact performance. Um but in general agencies often build their own kind of templated workflow and I don’t mean like website templates I mean like uh they they work in a particular way and um we see a lot of professionalism in in the agencies working with Elementor like the ones who are not who are turning out like five buck websites those might not be the most performant but the ones who are like properly building product projects for their clients. Um, you know, if they keep in mind, you know, don’t have too many nested elements, don’t just throw plugins at your site because it’s easier as much as possible. By the way, in this era of AI, a lot of those plugins that were maybe bulking up your site and causing issues can now be replaced with code snippets. Um, Elementor’s Angie, for example, has an Angie [clears throat] code component where you can just use it in your site to create whatever it is that you need and you don’t necessarily have to keep installing plugins. We’ll see a lot of that now in this era of AI. So, um, so yeah, like making long-term decisions where you can and if the budget doesn’t allow, then you do your best. We all know what it’s like to work with clients. So, you know, there’s also some empathy there. Awesome. Uh I would like to divert this discussion towards forms now a bit. Uh and I want to ask Matt uh around the performance impact that comes from conditional logic, multi-page forms and real time validation like how much performance impact comes from these sort of things. Sure. So, I actually looked up some uh previous uh support issues at Gravity Forums uh when I was looking at these questions, and I don’t have one that just pinpoints uh like spec like either one of these particular use cases uh specifically like conditional logic. Um, but most of this stuff is going to be a minimal impact if you’re, you know, even if you’re building a moderate sort of sales lead genen form for your customer or some kind of like uh state level um yeah, intake form. You know, we often have gravity forms being used at local governments for renewing driver license, applying for some kind of other license in the state or property um document retrieval system or something like that. And it’s generally really good at performance. I did pull up a support ticket. Obviously, I’m not going to name names, uh, but we had a customer that did complain about some slower load times in, uh, Gravity Forms when they had, uh, over 2,000 forms with 60 to 200 fields each. [laughter] Uh, so we’re talking about like the real upper end of like pushing Gravity Forms. and it was actually something where there was also some performance on the WordPress side that stalled this stuff out. Um, so we don’t really see any kind of real major impact on performance when you’re using uh this stuff. What I can say is, you know, if you’re really getting in the weeds with trying to optimize for performance on large forms, yes, if you break it up into uh a multi-page form, um then you know when the person’s loading the page, it’s going to limit the amount of uh elements in the DOM. So, it’s going to be, you know, more performant than had you not done that. The question becomes, is this great user experience for the end user? like do we need to break up this form into multi-pages um for a very small percentage of performance increase? Um you know uh but if the answer is yes you know we can still do this and it is going to help in performance then then yes gravity forms has you know those types of features that’ll do that conditional logic hiding fields displaying fields depending on what somebody’s putting in that helps with user experience which we’ll talk about at a later question. Um, but I don’t have anything that’s going to say like you should definitely not do this in a form because we just haven’t seen the boundaries being pushed yet uh with Gravity Forms in in the performance or impacting performance. So, uh, so far so good for the stuff that that we have. And again, except when you get to maybe, you know, 2,000 forms with 200 questions each, things get to be a little different. But, uh, that’s very rare case for WordPress sites. Awesome. I want to mix up this discussion. And I want to go back to element and my next question is from you Roy. Uh what has element changed in recent years specifically to address JavaScript execution time and DOM bloat? Okay, I would love to I would love to address this uh because actually we’ve been doing uh uh we’ve been doing so much uh I think like uh you know uh like Miriam uh also mentioned um people tend to think that WordPress is slow and elementary is slow but actually we’ve been doing so much. I’ve been at the company for for less than two years and I’ve already uh been a part of many many changes. So one thing we did in the last uh two years is just improving in general asset loading which is something we always do. So making sure that you know our script and styles load conditionally only when they needed uh rather than globally. So it’s really part of um uh conditional loading. We also did that with CSS. So CSS is also something that conditionally loads all all um always on all element sites um as well as element caching. Um it’s a big improvement that we also shipped um in um I think it was in uh 2024. Uh and generally just cleaning up markup and um so pages execute with less JavaScript and they render faster. And um this was just what we did with version three. Uh but version four of our editor uh is where we take this even further. So I mentioned kind of uh version four before and I saw that there were some comments about it. Um so Elementor has been in version 3 for five years and now we’re uh weeks away from shipping version 4.0 O and it really introduces a new foundation based on like an atomic approach uh to design development. Uh so you’re really building uh design systems with variables, classes, components. Um and this also has a lot a lot a lot of performance advantages actually uh major ones. Um so um one one thing we’re very proud of is that all our new uh elements, our new widgets are single div wrappers. So they’re much leaner on the dump structure and they just have one single line of code instead of multiple nested containers uh that Elementor previously had. Um conditional JavaScript uh is also in V4. Um so JavaScript is loaded conditionally only when the element actually exists on the page. Um classes which I mentioned uh earlier this also has uh a very big um uh performance advantage because basically uh classes are global. So you set uh you set a style once and then um it applies to all the elements but the class only loads one time basically on your home on your homepage instead of uh you know styles loading locally for each individual element. And um and also uh interactions that’s kind of I guess the last uh big thing. So interactions are are our new animations in V4 and they’re much leaner and they load conditionally as well in comparison to the V3 animations. Um so people who will transition to V4 are going to experience major uh imp uh performance uh benefits. Um and uh we hope that more and more people will will start experiencing that very soon. We’re now in beta and actually in less than a month uh it’s already going to be officially available to everyone. Um and it’s going to be a a huge game changer for for all our millions of sites out there. Awesome. That’s uh that’s amazing to know. Uh Roy, my next question is it’s around forms. Uh because I asked a I asked Miam about agencies and Elementor. Now, I know for a fact that a lot of a lot of agencies use uh gravity forms as well. And my question for you, Matt, is that how should agencies think about form performance when optimizing for conversion rates? Because I know for a fact that conversion rates is a huge pain point for agencies. So, how should agencies think about performance when it comes to that particular element? Yeah, I it’s uh I think it’s critical to the conversation when you’re an agency uh you know and you’re talking to a client, you’re looking at you know WordPress as a whole as the thing that works for your business um you know beyond a contact form and Gravity Forms has forever had a conversion u uh conversion percentage in the default view of of Gravity Forms because it’s it’s been so core to our experience for since we started the the plug-in and you need to one sell the idea to your to your client. This is the part that makes your agency money beside the performance is hey this website is going to do more stuff for you. It’s going to collect this data. It’s going to collect sales uh information and we’re either going to process that here in WordPress and you’ll have this dashboard of Gravity Forms and other reporting or Gravity Forms acts as the central hub to send this data out for your business to do other things. either you know feed your newsletter platform or feed your sales uh CRM platform um or Google drive air table all the millions of integration well not millions but all of the integrations that we have for gravity forms and uh you know help that business uh perform on a real business line uh perspective to make the form performant uh all the stuff we’ve already talked about uh with you know uh using conditional logic to streamline the form. That is like the most underrated uh feature in my in my opinion is setting up conditional logic for your form. Um so that the user isn’t overwhelmed. Um this is an accessibility thing. This is a will the user finish the form before they get exhausted thing. Um, Gravity Forms has some features for save and continue later, for um, you know, saving the fields as they go along if they have to come back to to finish things off. Um, but keeping those forms as minimal uh, for the user, but as maximal for your business, uh, is going to be the the best step. And it’s not a JavaScript and caching thing. this is a you know how do we design this form uh to make sure that the user finishes it and we get you know what we need um yeah so that’s how I would sort of frame like having that conversation with a client as an agency owner awesome uh my next question is from the element do over here u and it’s a very simple very straightforward very out there question if someone wants a website an elementous website in fact that loads under two seconds what architectural decisions must be made before the design begins. Mim, if you can start us off with that. Well, okay. Um, I think it it comes down to a few things. One is keeping your the plugins and additional widgets and all that kind of stuff that you’re installing in your site to minimum. um considering which theme you might be using if you’re going to be using a theme. Um Hello theme is optimized for Elementor. So, you know, it’s probably a good choice. Um and as you go along, uh as you’re building it, measure obviously optimize your images. Um and I would recommend at this point using V4 as much as possible. when you install a new site uh like on old sites V4 isn’t like automatically activated but if you install and create a new elementary site than V4 is and like Roy described so you know you have a much significantly reduced DOM um much cleaner code uh it has an atomic approach by the way V4 um you know you guys are seeing it now and you might have heard like us talking about it especially Rowi in videos if you’ve seen him um for let’s say the last six months But this is a project that’s a huge undertaking for Elementor. We have a 10-y year old codebase. Um, and this is like a major refactor to bring Elementor into the present and and into the future. This new architecture also um sets Elementor up to be much more AI friendly due to the way that the the um structure is is built. So um use V4 uh embrace it. It’s like a bit of a a learning curve. It’s a different way of doing things, but the results are more futureproof and more optimized. So, highly recommend that. Awesome. Roy, you want to add some things to it? I think uh I think Miriam’s words of wisdom uh said it all. Uh yeah, that’s that’s that’s basically it. Be be responsible about your stack and how you’re building your sites. Uh use V4 as much as possible. uh the hello theme and uh yeah, we’re seeing we’re seeing beautiful and fast websites out there that load uh that load quickly. So yes, it’s possible. Awesome. So folks, we’re moving towards the last few questions for this panel discussion. And I want to divert again this conversation towards forms. And a very straightforward question now from you Matt is what’s the leanest possible high converting form setup for anyone be it agencies or be it a developer be it an e-commerce store. What’s the what is the leanest most uh most leanest possible high converting form setup? The mail to link. [laughter] No, just kidding. Um, yeah, I mean the highest possible converting form is, as I was mentioning before, it’s just like the least amount of friction you can give the customer to get you the most amount of information you need to take action, whatever that is in your business. Again, I would lean heavily on uh the conditional logic to make sure that you’re, you know, pushing the customer to uh you know, not have to see the entire form um where it could exhaust them or stress them out as immediately as they see it. We also have a great thirdparty ecosystem and uh Gravity Whiz makes a uh nested gravity forms add-on as well. So you can load other entire gravity forms in a form depending on the the choice that happened above. So there’s lots of ways to sort of craft uh that gravity form. Um, Gravity Form also has a conversational uh what we call convers conversational forms uh add-on uh which takes it into that sort of full screen perspective too. So if you uh you know the keyboard navigation, you only see one question at a time kind of thing. So if you really want to optimize for like a full screen takeover and you want to make sure that you’re showing the the user just the question that they need, uh the conversational form uh add-on is another great uh option. But I would lean on really thinking deeply about what what you need from that customer. How am I going to make this as frictionless as possible and uh leverage conditional logic to make stuff hide and appear when you need it. Awesome. Uh this brings us to the end of our conversation. But before I go away, uh there is a question in the comment section and it’s for the element folks here specifically addressing Miriam. Uh it says it’s from Nicholas and it says that my fear with element is currently clawed. I can spin an entire thousand plusbased website up in claw code in one day. How is element going to let me do this? Because remaking clawed websites in elementotor right now is a pain. Yes. Um, very good question. So, first of all, we’re all navigating this new world of AI and trying to figure out what it means for all of us and the best way to ensure a strong future for WordPress and Elementor. So, we have a few AI tools that we have created and have have released and um, so the ones I’m going to mention don’t specifically answer that. I’ll just talk about them quickly. Um, so we have of course like embedded AI and elementor the standard stuff. I’m going to talk about that. Then we have Angie which is its own plug-in which is not dependent on Elementor or not specifically for Elementor. It’s for WordPress in general. It gives people strong tooling for ongoing management but also for development. So things that people may not have developed for their site until now because it was out of reach or expensive or needed particular developers, you can now do that. So it’s free to try. It’s in the repo. It’s called Angie Agie. People should check it out. With regards to spinning up the sites, so we have a product called uh site planner. Um it allows you to spin up a site um not a thousand pages. Um that’s a very unique use case. I don’t know like what the need is to have a thousand pages out of eight, but let’s say people are building a site for their business or for their blog or whatever. Site planner can do a good job. So, we’re actually rebuilding that as well to bring greater um design capabilities to that. So, keep an eye on that. Um I will say that the way that we see AI like clawed websites versus WordPress or Elementor is that there’s a few advantages that that WordPress in general will still have at least for the for the foreseeable future which in AI can be like tomorrow everything will change, right? But for now, first of all, WordPress is a very like battle tested architecture with a strong ecosystem around it. So if for day one of a website, Claude can be great. I built a site, I launched it, I’m happy with it. Day two, ongoing maintenance, ongoing management, ongoing content management, we think that WordPress will still be the winner there. Um, in terms of security, security, reliability, scalability, also websites. It depends how you’re building the site with Claude, but you can have major SEO issues with reactbased websites, which is what a lot of them are. And Nicholas, I know you’re an expert in that, so I’m not sure what your experience is with that, but that’s something to keep in mind. Um, and yeah, so we hope to be able to answer that. I’m not sure if we’ll like meaning like provide a solution for that type of need. Not sure about the thousandpage website although probably once we can you know generate a beautifully designed 20 page website we can also do a thousand pages forever needs that um but stay tuned we already have tooling for AI which we recommend people try out. I think WordPress because we’re like a legacy um ecosystem people are used to doing things a certain way and are afraid to try and so our message is dare to try. AI feels scary. AI feels like open-ended. It’s like this black box of I don’t know what it can do for me. Dream big and just try it. Go into Angie say build me whatever it is that you want to build a WooCommerce system to manage stock inventory. Uh a I don’t know popups conversion things you know anything crazy things buttons that generate confetti. Go do it. Like you can seriously do all that. So anyways we all will see. Um I think WordPress will come out strong and hopefully uh we can contribute to that. Oh, good luck to all of us. [laughter] [clears throat] All right. U this is it folks. This is it from this session and I would like to thank Matt, Miriam and Roy for being here and being part of our guest speaker roster and being part of this panel discussion. Thank you so much. This has been extremely insightful. A lot of people I think got a lot of clarity on how they can improve performance of their websites where they’re using element or any other page builder or or gravity forms or any other forms for that matter. So thank you so much to all three of you for being here in this session and if you want you can hang around in the comment section discuss uh page building or you know or forms because a lot of people do have some comments or concerns not exactly questions but comments around forms and you know element and page builder. So feel free to do that. As for you folks this is it for day one of uh of the performance boot camp or cloud boot camp as you would like to call it. Uh we have had amazing day of uh insightful sessions and activities starting off with Sabrina and then follow up with uh with with Amber and then some amazing activities some fun activities and uh some engaging quizzes as well. So thank you so much everyone for for sticking around and attending the sessions and being so engaging in the comments as well as uh for all of you asking for the recordings. Yes, the recordings of all the sessions will be available once the event is over in the schedule section. So, this is it for day one, but this is not it for the performance boot camp because we have another day of amazing sessions lined up for you tomorrow. We have people from Varnish, Cloudflare, GTMetrics all coming in tomorrow to educate you and uh enable you on performance and website speed. So, make sure that you tune in tomorrow, same place, same time. See you all.